Can bitcoin mining decrease a CPU/GPU's lifespan? - Quora

Buying a second hand GPU - any way to test how healthy it is/whether it's been abused for crypto mining?

Is there any way to test the general health of a used GPU? I bought one second-hand on eBay and would ideally like to use it for the next 5-6 years but I don't know how to tell how long it should probably last. I'm guessing if it's been used for bitcoin mining or similar then it might have affected the lifespan of the card....? Are there any tell-tale signs I should be looking out for?
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Purely Hypothetical - what would you do if the high GPU load in port had an evil reason?

NOTE: this thread is purely hypothetical and NOT an accusation or some kind of conspiracy theory! It's just a though.
By now everyone knows or have noticed that the GPU load in port is insanely high, actually much higher than in battles itself. WG knows about this for a very long time but does not fix it for whatever reason. What would you do if it turns out that they would use the game client to have all of us mining cryptocurrency, such as bitcoin, for WG to make a penny or two on the side?
If you are not living under a rock you should know that GPUs are way more powerful than CPUs for certain tasks and that's why cryptocurrency is mined with GPU power. While everyone of us is in port the GPU load goes up to 100% for absolutely no reason and as soon as you enter a battle or some other UI screen the load drop extremely low as it should be. Imagine we all are zombies farming money while our computers are not busy.
I know, you say this is all nonsense and such and i do not say WG does this. But if you think it is just fiction that a game client would abuse the users to mine money for the publisher than you have to be very naive. Everywhere where money is made people cheat and abuse to take the easy route. Happens in all of our life in some form. There have been some cases where exactly this happened. Steam has banned multple games to this day where the publisher implemented a cryptominer into their game client. Those were usually Indie Games and not very good made. The probably by far most popular scandal of this sort is ESEA, a very famous CS:GO client. They had hundreds of thousands of users mined money for them unknowingly. They got caught and had to pay a fine in the 6-digits and forcefully donated the mined bitcoins to some social organizations. Use Google to read about it and also find tons of info about the Indie Games bans on Steam.
So what would you do if it turns out the 100% GPU load would be related to such a fraud? Would you instantly quit the game? Would you sue WG? Would you not care at all?
Yes i know, some ports have a lower load, some custom mods -that seem to not work anymore for whatever reason, maybe because users who used them didn't mine money so they were blocked- had nearly 1% GPU load. Perhaps this is just some sort of cover to make it not so obvious that something weird is going on in most ports.
What do you think what causes this high GPU load? Can a company that made, according to official Bloomberg ranking, more than 1.5 Billion dollar annual revenue back a few years, not afford a few programmers (out of the 4500+ employees they have according to the russian Wiki) that track down the reason for this absurd GPU load and fix it? Or do they simply not want to because the GPU load has a 'very good' reason? And if you think this is no big deal for you do the math, check how much power your GPU draws under full load and how much power consumption is wasted because of this. You'd be surprised how much of YOUR money the 'harmless' port in a pixelgame blows out the window for no reason. Not to mention that heavy load for longer periods of time cause the lifespan of the hardware drop significantly, means it has to be replaced sooner, which obviously cost YOUR money as well.
But who knows, maybe 2020 is the year of the UI and they fix this crap. Wishful thinking …
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Get 1 game every month for free (hint: VR PC mining)

So, i want to make hint to those, who doesn't allow himself to buy expensive games in Oculus store. While you all have VR ready PC, this mean you can mine crypto and convert it to USD. This approx 30$ per month from mining, enough to buy some games each month. Different PC configuration - different income All you need for start : 1: Register at Nicehash 2: Generate BTC address inside website 3: Download software from and put your BTC address there 4: Start software. Done... 5: Exchange Bitcoins locally [] or create Debit Visa card linked to BTC
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How Dangerous Is Mining?

How Dangerous Is Mining?
Lots of users run mining programs on their home PCs.
Is it dangerous for your PC?
This topic became very popular in 2016-2017 during the Bitcoin boom. Mining became so popular that ordinary users couldn’t find GPUs anywhere. The biggest problem was gaming graphics cards because it was nearly impossible to find GPU for gaming that is not overpriced.
The only solution was a secondary market. While Bitcoin price was high, it was hard to buy anything even there but when it fell a big part of miners began selling their GPUs. That’s when a thesis about PC harm appeared.
However, is it dangerous?
For anything except GPU and CPU - no, it’s not. Components are just running as usual. As for graphics cards and processors, they’re used fully while mining. For example, in modern games or some specific software, all components are used intensively too. The only difference is that you don’t play games or render videos 24/7. The main danger is overheating. Hardware doesn’t like it at all, so buying advanced cooling systems and monitoring your temperatures is vital to keep your PC safe. The second point is that not all components designed for such intensive use (mostly because of cooling issues). For example, some GPUs from vendors have heating issues with specific electronic parts, so you need to be aware and monitocheck it.
Shortly, mining requires high-loads and if your rig is capable - its lifespan tends to be not much shorter comparably to a lifespan of your daily intensive use.
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$1500 (plus or minus $100) windows/linux gaming PC

Hey guys, as the holiday season approaches I'm looking to treat myself to a nice PC as I approach 6 months with a real salaried job. Unfortunately I'm involved in a pretty intense academic program right up until Christmas, and then I'm moving to Texas, which doesn't leave me with a lot of time to do research. I've been looking into parts, experimenting with custom builds on pcpartpicker and such, but I just don't know what hardware works best in tandem with others, or the relative quality of different brands, and I don't have all the time in the world to keep looking into it. I have exactly 0 experience with PCs in general, as I've been raised on Apple laptops. I was hoping you all could help me out.
What will you be doing with this PC? Be as specific as possible, and include specific games or programs you will be using.
Honestly, I just want to play Skyrim with the most computationally expensive boob mods out there. Just kidding. But the games I have in mind are all big RPG open world types -- Skyrim, Witcher 3, Fallout, and eventually Starfield and the new Elder Scrolls in a couple years. Maybe some Fortnite until I get sick of getting dunked on by 12 year olds.
I won't be doing any video editing or sharing, or any bitcoin mining or shit like that. Sometimes I like to program, did a lot in college, but I'm sure any CPU y'all recommend can handle whatever obnoxious O(nn) loops I accidentally create.
What is your maximum budget before rebates/shipping/taxes?
$1500, but I prefer to spend my money on quality goods that will perform well and last a while, so I am willing to go a little over if it makes enough difference in the quality of the machine.
When do you plan on building/buying the PC? Note: beyond a week or two from today means any build you receive will be out of date when you want to buy.
I'm planning on keeping a close eye on prices as holiday sales approach, tracking them on Amazon and such. I will probably order parts around Christmas and assemble the machine after New Years.
What, exactly, do you need included in the budget? (ToweOS/monitokeyboard/mouse/etc)
I need everything. All I have right now is a mac laptop. I intend to remote desktop it or integrate it into the build somehow, but I don't have faith I'll be able to use any of its hardware.
Which country (and state/province) will you be purchasing the parts in? If you're in US, do you have access to a Microcenter location?
I'll be purchasing in either Florida, Texas, or Tennessee. I can stop by the Microcenter in Houston.
Will you be overclocking? If yes, are you interested in overclocking right away, or down the line? CPU and/or GPU?
I'd be interested in overclocking if it meant extending the useful lifespan of the units in a few years time.
Are there any specific features or items you want/need in the build? (ex: SSD, large amount of storage or a RAID setup, CUDA or OpenCL support, etc)
A couple things... - I've read that Intel chips are the highest quality out there. An Intel i7 seems to be a worthy investment according to my research... I wouldn't mind having one, unless someone can talk me out of it. - I'd like to duel boot a unix machine. Years of programming on my mac have left me dependent on a unix-type environment. I may try and install MacOS Mojave at some point, but that is more of a pipe dream.
Do you have any specific case preferences (Size like ITX/microATX/mid-towefull-tower, styles, colors, window or not, LED lighting, etc), or a particular color theme preference for the components?
Don't know a damn thing about cases. Don't care for aesthetic. Function over form.
Do you need a copy of Windows included in the budget? If you do need one included, do you have a preference?
Yes, whatever is standard, which I guess is 64-bit 10 Home.
Extra info or particulars:
I've heard that 144Hz monitors are a must-have for anyone looking for a serious display. Is this true? Also, are there significant differences between average and high-end keyboards and mice? I don't need something to compete with streamers, I've just got to get to that next settlement Preston Garvey sends me to. Also, Amazon is my preferred vendor, as I've got a bunch of credit on there I can put towards this.
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Building mining rig

Hi guys!
Me and two other friends are thinking about getting into the mining business.
We’ve read us up a little bit, but I’d say we’re pretty much still in the “nooby”-phase. Our train of thought was that we’re too late for the party regarding mining bitcoin, so we decided to go for the more “underdog” – Litecoin(?)
We’ve read a little bit about it, and understood that we need powerful GPUs for the mining, while the CPU can be low budget.
The plan is to start of with building a rig for around 6000$/5400€. If things go well - by that I mean If we are to mine Litecoins well worth the money, the plan is to expand it with more rigs.
Here is a list I thought would be powerful enough for the first rig, but I haven’t looked at “bang-for-the-buck”, or specific items that’s especially good for this type of mining, if there is any?
Motherboard - ASUS ROG Maximus IX Apex, Socket-1151
CPU – Intel Pentium G4400 Skylake (randomly picked a cheap one I found.)
RAM – HyperX Fury DDR3 1866MHz 16GB (Do this need to be high-end?)
GPU - 4x INNO3D GeForce GTX 1080
PSU - EVGA GQ 1000W Hybrid Modular 80+ PSU
HDD – Random 500GB HDD (whatever I find that works.)
Couple of questions:
Thank you so much in advance, I know there’s a lot of questions, and I’d be more than happy and grateful if any of you took your time to even answers half of them!
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How damaging is bitcoin mining to hardware?

Hey all, I was looking at getting into bitcoin mining since im here at college, and I don't have to pay for the electricity. I heard that it can be quite intensive on the hardware, I guess my quiestion is it more intensive than gaming, or will it lower the lifespan of my gpu in any significant manner? I do watercool the gpu using NZXT G12, so the gpu core stays pretty cold, but there is no passive cooling on the vram (I can apply some small heatsinks to them if it would help) I have a Zotac AMP! GTX 1080 (the regular AMP doesn't have enough cooling for the clock speed, that's why I got the G12) Thank you for the help!
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When to Stop GPU Mining.

The 7970 is, from what I can tell, the best $/(MH/s) and most efficient GPU miner out there. I didn't do all of the comparisons necessary though - so there may be one better.
The question is, at what point does bitcoin-mining on a 7970 no longer make financial sense?
This is really simple math, and I hope we can avoid a lot of this question being asked over and over again by showing how simple it is.
The following assumes a miner is receiving a roughly equitable share of its contribution to the network's hash power (ie through a pool, if you're GPU Mining or considering getting in to mining) these things will be true.
Variables you can edit.
That's it, actually. Everything else is just the protocol specification. So here we go...
Question 1: What is the daily cost of operation for a 7970 (not including the rest of the computer)?
Operating Costs = 0.0161 BTC
Question 2: How much of the network will I have to capture with my card to earn at least 0.0161 BTC per day?
  • The network yields approximately 3600 BTC per day (25 bitcoin / block * 6 blocks per hour * 24 hours per day)
  • 0.0161/3600 = 0.0004472%
Answer: The card must be capturing 0.0004472% of the total network to earn at least 0.0161 BTC per day.
Question 3: How big does the network have to be before the 7970 is no longer profitable?
  • The 7970 operates at a reported 650MH/s
  • This will remain profitable until 650MH/s is less than 0.0004472% of the total network.
  • 650(MH/s) / 0.000004472 = 145.3 TH/s
Answer: The 7970 will be profitable until the total network hashrate exceeds 145.3 TH/s.


This is just an easy maths model you can use to apply to any question you may have with regard to the 'potential profitability' of your current graphics card or even your potential ASIC purchase. If you know how much hashing power the card has, and what its power draw is, it is trivial to determine at what point your miner will no longer be profitable.
This is not a predictive model of when on the calendar your device will be obsolete, however. And one thing you may notice about the inclusion of the BTCUSD price in this model is that as BTCUSD goes up so will the costs of operation go down. If your power is cheaper than $0.15 or even free, it could last for a little while yet.
However, to give you a glimpse inside my crystal ball as it were, my models would suggest that a 7970 will be obsolete in the third or fourth week in April if BTCUSD were to maintain at $90 and power costs at $0.15/kWh.
Happy mining.
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GPU mining

Hey all, looking to get into crypto mining and through other Reddit posts and Google I've learned that Bitcoin and Litecoin are really not worth mining without ASIC. Can I make a profit mining Etherium with a GTX 1050ti? Also, how/where do I spend the currency and would it shorten my GPU lifespan by a lot?
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[Build Help] used ASRock Z77 Extreme4 + i5 3570k or new MSI 970 Gaming + FX 8320

As per the title, I am having a bit of difficulty deciding between the two. Either combination will be paired with an R9 290 from Asus (DC2OC). For this comparison only 1080p gaming performance is relevant as both are entirely sufficient for my other day-to-day pc usage. I will not OC initially, but am hoping to do some medium OCing later down the road.
On paper, I am aware the ASRock + i5 is pretty much superior for gaming. Also, since I can buy the ASRock from a friend for 10 bucks who used to use it for bitcoin mining, both will cost me only ~245 euro combined.
However, this used mobo was not taken care of really well. It is very dusty (will clean it with air obv), has been exposed to unfiltered air, a few inches above carpet both when it was operational and when it was stored in an attic in the several months between its last use and now. It was exposed to prolonged heat that comes with triple gpu mining. As far as I know, the mobo was still in working order when it was last turned off. So for my questions:
Can this usage history impact the performance, trustworthiness and lifespan I can expect of the mobo? Would getting the i5 over the FX even be worth taking risks (if any) with a mobo you cannot vouch for?
Long story short: With an r9 290, is getting an i5 3570K over the FX 8320 really worth it if it means using a used, dusty ex-mining mobo?
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ESEA client basically a virus

So the ESEA client would mine bitcoins on computers without the owners consent. ESEA admins even admitted it.... I don't trust esea after this. renalucario 's post in /games Note that this story is still developing: ESEA Statement has been released! Full post at the bottom of this post or click here to read on ESEA Member unisolsz discovered that the client required to play on ESEA was running a bitcoin miner. After players were complaining about virus alerts being set off from the client and unusually high GPU usage and BSOD errors. The thread he made regarding this can be found here ESEA admin, lpkane admits that it was an "April Fools joke" that was mistakenly left in the client that ran for only 2 days. He claims only 2 bitcoins were mined in total (Roughly around $280 USD) and that it would go towards a prize pool. Source He later corrects that it was running for 2+ weeks and actually raised 29~ bitcoins (around $3,602.21 USD) and to apologize awarded all current ESEA premium members a free month of service and that all the money raised will go into the prize pool. He also claims that all bitcoin mining code was removed from the client. Source #2 Bitcoin miners use up 100% of GPU processes and lead to a lowered hardware lifespan, and can actually damage it permanently. Link to /GlobalOffensive discussion: UPDATE: Someone has pointed out that the bitcoin address that lpkane posted a picture of in his first post is different compared to the address he lists in his second post. Very strange... UPDATE #2: I should clarify that no one that was affected lost any money of their own. It was a poor choice of words for me to say that he 'stole' the money. I was referring to the fact that people that were affected most likely saw an increase in electricity usage, and could possibly have had their computer's hardware damaged. Their computers were used without their consent to 'mine' currency, all of which went to the ESEA admins. UPDATE #3: I was contacted by GGTY886 that informed me that he had posted a thread regarding the mining two hours before unisolsz had posted his that was locked by an admin. Located here There is also a thread located here by a user that discusses the symptoms of the miner. He also sent me a recording of a conversation with an ESEA admin discussing the issue which can be listened to here: The Recording His PM in full in case you're interested: I actually posted a thread before unisolz that actually exposed the bitcoin mining. I posted 2 hours before his thread, and my thread was locked. Also, one day prior, this guy posted about the symptoms of the mining: recording with ESEA Admin: UPDATE #4: Others have pointed out that this isn't the first time lpkane has mentioned mining bitcoins through the ESEA client: Source UPDATE #5: In a thread dated 4/9/2013, lpkane posts in a thread discussing bitcoins: and you wonder what the client does when you're not in a server.. Source post #23 UPDATE #6: If you've been affected by this, you can file a complaint to the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3): With this information: E-Sports Entertainment, LLC 62 Rensselaer Drive, Commack, New York, 11725, 631-804-5253 UPDATE #7: Another image that was requested to be added to the OP showing lpkane's comments on bitcoin mining on September 18th, 2012. UPDATE #8: Craig Levine "Torbull" (owner of ESEA) has posted this statement on the forums regarding the situation: The first I learned about any of this was last night (on any scale). I had no idea any of this was going on. Needless to say I am completely embarrassed, disgusted, and ashamed. For the past ten years, I've tried to do nothing more than to act honestly and be an upstanding leader in the gaming community and with some bad decisions by some trusted people it has been thrown out the window. I'm wrapping my mind around this whole thing and we'll release a formal response, but for the time being just know that this wasn't some ESEA / company wide scam. I'm committed to doing whatever possible to rebuild the trust we lost through this whole fiasco. Source Post #608 Some more information from Craig: Post #632: It's a failure on my part to have the proper oversight to have prevented this from happening and it will be addressed. My primary concern at this point is community trust and how that was destroyed. We need to understand the situation, take the appropriate action with those responsible for it, ensure we have things in place to prevent this from happening, and address anyone who incurred physical damages. How we rebuild the trust of the community in the immediate aftermath and long term future is going to be a different discussion that we need to have as I walk through this all. Post #710: Standby for a more formal response with information about the situation and recourse for those impacted. Post #742: the facts of the situation are beyond what has been shared to this point. We're going to do everything in our power to address the issue of what happened, the broken trust with the community, and any physical hardware damage. Information coming soon, but this is obviously something we take incredibly serious. Post #802: the money will be going somewhere much more righteous than the prize purse in addition to the prize purse Post #810: why would we risk our business and livelihood on making some inconsequential amount of money on Bitcoins I assure you that I and the larger ESEA entity had no knowledge of this. We're working to figure out what happened to respond accordingly. Post #829: His (lpkane's) response there was done more playfully than seriously. We would never knowingly allow this to be done to our community and I'm looking into all of the details for how this happened. Post #886: We will be setting up a mechanism to address anyone who's computer parts were damaged through this process UPDATE #9: PrincessChoadzilla has posted a analysis of the three bitcoin addresses ESEA admins used to collect the bitcoins here and found that there has been 1 bitcoin that is still not accounted for by lpkane. IMPORTANT UPDATE: ESEA Statement has been released: Throughout the history of gaming and e-sports, there have been scams and straight up theft by players, teams, event organizers, and even “sponsors.” Over the past ten years ESEA has prided itself on being an upstanding member of the gaming community by providing a high quality service, paying out prize money, and being upfront and transparent with you, the community. We worked hard to build your trust and often took the longer, slower, and more meticulous road than others. That approach has paid off as we had success with our premium service and league. Over the two weeks we failed our community. ESEA’s goal is to provide our community with cutting edge technology and tools. Whenever possible, the management and owners at ESEA initiate private tests on potential new products and tools that might interest our community. With the whole fervor around Bitcoin, we did conduct some internal tests with the Client on only two of our own, consenting administrators’ accounts to see how the mining process worked and determine whether it was a feature that we might want to add in the future. We thought this might be an exciting new tool that we could provide to our community. Ultimately, we decided that it was not. On April 13, 2013, after the initial tests, ESEA informed those involved in the test that we were killing the project and they should stop using the beta test. It came to our attention last night, however, that an employee who was involved in the test has been using the test code for his own personal gain since April 13, 2013. What transpired the past two weeks is a case of an employee acting on his own and without authorization to access our community through our company’s resources. We are extremely disappointed and concerned by the unauthorized actions of this unauthorized individual. As of this morning, ESEA has made sure that all Bitcoin mining has stopped. ESEA is also in the process of taking all necessary steps internally to ensure that nothing like this ever happens again. The owners and management at ESEA all apologize to each of you that were impacted by the recent events and intend to make things right. ESEA has issued a free month of ESEA Premium to all of our community members who were enrolled in Premium for the month of April. We also ask anyone who has experienced any physical damage to their computers to open an ESEA support ticket. In an effort to maintain complete transparency, we have released all of the Bitcoin wallet addresses as well as data dumps of the wallets themselves. The value of the mined Bitcoins was $3,713.50 and ESEA will be donating 100% of the $3,713.55 to the American Cancer Society. ESEA will also match 100% of this amount for a total of $7,427.10 donated. ESEA is also increasing the Season 14 League prize pot by $3,713.50. As a team, we work hard to create cool things and we’ve worked even harder to consistently do things the right way. While it’s incredibly disturbing and disappointing that this happened, we’re committed to improving ourselves and rebuilding trust with our community.
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